LS1 swaps.

canadian

sy in progress
Kind of a reverse conversion question. Does anybody know of a running LS1 powered Syclone or Typhoon. I know there are several conversions underway, figured Nick S. would have been the first one done if he hadn't sold everything.

Anybody? Links? Other than Todd's page at www.turbols6.com?
 

Maxtor

New member
Re: LS1 swaps.

If you have specific questions, Email Todd and he can probably answer them. He has quite a bit of work left to do, but he has tackled many of the "hard" obstacles.
 

canadian

sy in progress
Re: LS1 swaps.

I talk with Todd on a daily basis and pretty much know where he is with the swap. I want to know if anybody has finished one. Nick started his swap a couple years ago, lost interest, sold the Ty, bought a vette, supercharged it and I don't know if anybody else has come close.

The LT1 Ty is cool, saw that one. Just wondering if someone had any info that wasn't posted on this board about doing the swap into a Sy/Ty/or 4wd truck.
 

Maxtor

New member
Re: LS1 swaps.

I thought Todd told me there was another Ty owner putting in an LS1, who was pretty far along (not Nick's). I remember receiving some pictures of it over the summer..... from the way it looked it should be nearly complete by now. Now I can't find the pictures, though.
 

93ty475

Donating Member
Re: LS1 swaps.

canadian said:
I want to know if anybody has finished one.


I had been wondering the same thing....While I agree this must be quite the challenge, I still think it is very doable.....the main thing that keeps you from completing a project like this is procrastination....money is the runner up....Or at least in my world....the only way to really get it done is to not do anything but that until it's done....spotlight it and get it finished.....unfortunately, most people have a life so these projects are going to take a while....couple of things I've learned since I started working on cars..... 1. taking it apart (tear down) = the easy part.....makes you feel like your really getting somewhere when in fact, every nut and bolt you remove is putting ALOT further away from the finished product....... 2. you will spend alot of money on little crap (nickle and dime you to death)....It's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel when you're so far from completion....I gave tydriver props in his thread of the ls1 turbo project and said "just do one thing a week and she'll be done before you know it.".....That would be the best approach imo.....can't give these things a break if you want them to materialize....I've said it before and I'll say it again, anything that's worth while is not going to be easy....If any of you undertakers want to send me your half started LS1 projects, I'd be happy to take a stab at it down here!!! I promise at least a daily update with pics till it's done! :rotf: :D come on guys....kick it in the ass!!!!

I wonder if that dude with the red one ever moved on doing a 4x4 Ls1?? remember the guy that had that ultra clean s10 that sold on ebay? wasnt he going to write a book on this?
 

SyTyJedi

Jedi Council
Re: LS1 swaps.

I'm going as fast as I can. Building a house with the GF right now too, so time is limited. Truck is easy compared to this friggin house tho ;)

We move in late Nov, so I will have more time once things are moved.

Updates/Pics in "member's projects" forum coming soon!
 

canadian

sy in progress
Re: LS1 swaps.

SyTyJedi said:
I'm going as fast as I can. Building a house with the GF right now too, so time is limited. Truck is easy compared to this friggin house tho ;)

We move in late Nov, so I will have more time once things are moved.

Updates/Pics in "member's projects" forum coming soon!

oh, you're fuct now. let me tell you that building a house is never done. there will always be something else to do. next will be the wedding, then kids. you better get it done now... ROFL. i'm waiting for those pictures! KAK.

do you have all the parts in your sig, or are those the parts you're going to be using?
 

SyTyJedi

Jedi Council
Re: LS1 swaps.

canadian said:
oh, you're fuct now. let me tell you that building a house is never done. there will always be something else to do. next will be the wedding, then kids. you better get it done now... ROFL. i'm waiting for those pictures! KAK.

do you have all the parts in your sig, or are those the parts you're going to be using?

Have all of those and way more, those are just the most interesting.

Heh, neither of us want kids - she would rather have a Ferrari - I'm tellin ya she's perfect ;)
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: LS1 swaps.

I don't have a Sy or a Ty, but I'm going to swap an LSx motor into my '99 Bravada. Bought it specifically for the swap.

Its gonna get a 6.0l truck motor, probably with a cam change to start. Get it running and driving and then see about adding some more power. Going to stay with the 4L60E for a little while. Then hopefully upgrade to an 80E. First mods are going to be a set of 18" C5 "Wagon" wheels and a set of C5 brakes (fronts definitely, rears are undecided).

Hoping to be able to change motors sometime in the spring, but we'll see how the schedule goes. I'm somewhat waiting for Turbotime to release their oilpan (c'mon E-rue, when's the pan going to be available?). We'll see what happens.

'JustDreamin'
 

canadian

sy in progress
Re: LS1 swaps.

good links! i have noticed the lack of people doing it in 4wd and awd vehicles. dunno why, but i'm patient and i'll see what the outcomes are. basics seem to be

1) custom oil pan is needed to clear front diff. i *thin* a 4wd oil pan cut to clear as the vette and fbody are different styles. rumor is that the ssr oil pain has a hole through it like the old chevy deuce ones did.
2) hydroboost gives you more room with the drivers side valve cover
3) corvette accessories on the front are required due to space
4) custom headers. i dunno if there is anybody doing a naturally aspirated swap or not.

that's all i can think of right now.
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: LS1 swaps.

canadian said:
1) custom oil pan is needed to clear front diff. i *thin* a 4wd oil pan cut to clear as the vette and fbody are different styles. rumor is that the ssr oil pain has a hole through it like the old chevy deuce ones did.
2) hydroboost gives you more room with the drivers side valve cover
3) corvette accessories on the front are required due to space
4) custom headers. i dunno if there is anybody doing a naturally aspirated swap or not.
Those are most of the biggies....But I do have some notes and additions:
1.) Turbotime is working on making the pan available (they already have mounts available, for I think $100). I expect it will be a modified truck pan (full size trucks use the same pan for 2wd & 4wd). The 4wd Trailblazer pan does have a hole thru it, but I'm reasonably certain its in the wrong place, and the 4wd parts are different (shaft won't fit thru hole). The Vette, F-body, and GTO pans are all different, don't have any info on the CTS-V pan. All of those pans have fitment issues (interference with the front diff). The truck pan is probably the cheapest & easiest to source.

2.) Hydroboost is a good addition for operations and such. Not sure if its necessary or not to make it fit. I expect you can run the vacuum booster, but may require moving the coils on the valvecover or other changes. Guess I'll find out soon.

3.) C5 access are definitely a must. F-body accessories put the alternator in the same place as the steering box, so they won't work. Truck accessories would work layout-wise, but are 3" longer (further away from the block) and that space just isn't available.

3A.) The AC compressor mounts down low on the pass side of the block. It won't fit as is. The 2wd guys notch the frame to make it work. I don't know if it is possible to notch the frame and make it fit or if it HAS to be relocated. Again, guess I'll find out soon.

4.) I'm going to be doing a NA swap (at least to start). This is the area that makes me the most nervous. I'm hoping to make the '97-'98 C5 stampings work by reworking the drivers side (which is the tough one) to clear the diff & steering column. I guess I'll see whether that works out or not.

5.) Harness & PCM. Depending upon the year of the truck, you may have to run the LS1 PCM & the truck's PCM. I'm doing a '99 truck, because I will be able to get by with just 1 computer to run the engine, talk to the BCM, etc. Expect to spend a fair bit on the harness (time or money) and reprogramming the computer (I'd guess $700 to $1000 combined, but that's just my guess).

6.) I believe you'll have to relocate the pass side coils and maybe rework the AC / heater box for clearance of the pass side valve cover.

7.) Fuel system changes. The late LSx series motors do not have a fuel return line. I'm not sure what they're using on the trucks. Also, the LSx is running like 58psi fuel pressure, and you need to make sure you've got a pump to do not only the pressure but adequate volume. For me & my Bravada, that probably means a fair bit of work, not sure about other applications.

Thats all that comes to mind at the moment. I think one of the reasons that these swaps aren't more popular is the technical hurdles. They're not easily solved with off-the-shelf parts as yet. Add to that the fact that its tough to do smokey burnouts with AWD and alot fewer people are interested. Personally, I like the idea of traction when I need it. I'm tired of getting on my camaro and getting tire smoke instead of go....

'JustDreamin'
 

GEN3Typhoon

New member
Re: LS1 swaps.

Maxtor said:
I thought Todd told me there was another Ty owner putting in an LS1, who was pretty far along (not Nick's). I remember receiving some pictures of it over the summer..... from the way it looked it should be nearly complete by now. Now I can't find the pictures, though.

The guy that I sold mine to had it pretty much at the same place I did when I sold it to him.

All I lacked was exhaust.. everything else was done. The swap really is straight forward, only a few things to work out with it. The exhaust was the only thing that was hold me up.

When I sold mine to him he pretty much had everything that I had already so he might be done. I had decided to build TT headers and he was going to go NA with it. I think Todd might have got him thinking Turbo, but don't know if it went anywhere.

I have been keeping my ear to the ground, haven't been on here in a while, but I am excited to see one finished as well. If there is anything I can help out with let me know here or email me at nick.steffens@usionline.net
 

PPI Typhoon

DIY Madman
Re: LS1 swaps.

So what is the word on the A/C compressor? Can you notch the frame of the truck? I don't like the idea, but I think it would be good (if it is possible) considering you have to make room for the turbo.

I have recently decided on the LSx swap myself. I've been adding it up and it just seems to be the logical choice.

When you guys talk about the truck accessories sticking out 3" farther from the block. Do you mean 3" forward or outward (left to right)? My plan is to get an LQ9 6.0L and run the truck intake for now until I find a smoking deal on the corvette intakes.

I have a guy here locally that will do the headers. I am thinking just a simple log-style header with a crossover. Nothing fancy, but will get the job done.
 

Tydriver

TurboLS6 Powa'
Re: LS1 swaps.

PPI Typhoon said:
When you guys talk about the truck accessories sticking out 3" farther from the block. Do you mean 3" forward or outward (left to right)? My plan is to get an LQ9 6.0L and run the truck intake for now until I find a smoking deal on the corvette intakes.

You dont want to run the truck accessories not only for the depth that it sticks out forward off the block but also because of the routing of the accessories. Unless you feel like notching the frame and redesigning your entire steering system. Here's a better example of what I am talking about..


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And yes, you can delete the AC compressor very simply without changing any belts.

However, with the S&P Setup and C5 accessory pattern you can do this without cutting anything and STILL retain AC:

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I dont plan on building a trailer queen like alot of people are doing. For me its imperative to retain AC. Your views may differ on this but I hate trailer queens
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Plan is to drop off transmission (4L80e) today at trans shop then hopefully some progress will be made SOON.


Seriously, do yourself a favor if you are serious about this swap, buy the conversion parts from Eric as we have ALL beat our heads against the wall a number of times with EACH SPECIFIC PART. The mounts are done, the sheetmetal oil pan is coming.. The exhaust... (well you maybe on your own with that, I've about had it)


As always, pics are up in my gallery of everything I have done sooo far to this point... HTH,
 
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