what drive train can i use.

ssrt3

New member
hey guys im new to the site but not new to trrbo cars i have a 1987 buick grand national .
but now im going to build a syclone clone but i have never done awd before so i just wanted sone in put from the pros on awd.so can i use the traney and transfer case from a olds brvada is it the same or do you have any suggstions on what else i can use.

:roll: Thanks
 

RwD*eaT3r

New member
Re: what drive train can i use.

Somebody on this board is selling a SYTY tranny in the for sale section. That's the 700-4r you want, cause of their unique valvebodies or you can go with a TH-400 with some slight modifications.
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: what drive train can i use.

You've got a couple of options when it comes to AWD.....

There's the BW4472 (Borg Warner) which is what the Syclones & Typhoons use. Also used in AWD Astro / Safari Vans and Olds Bravadas. Both of those applications switched to a NP136 transfer case in 98 or so (can't remember exactly). The BW4472 is a viscous coupling transfer case, so it truely is AWD.
Nobody (that I've seen) has an official torque rating, so we're all guessing.

The NV136 (New Venture or New Process) is an "active on-demand" transfer case. Not exactly AWD, but probably close enough. It uses a computer and speed sensors to figure out when there is slipage and activates a electrically operated clutch that engages the front propshaft. At that point, its like having a conventional 4wd transfer case in 4HI. The NV136 is rated to 1600 ft-lbs of input torque or a 6000 lb GVWR. Also available in heavier duty boxes like the NV246, which is a 2 speed tcase (has low range), rated for 8600 GVWR.

Then there's the NV149, used in the Silverado SS. Operates just like the BW4472, using a viscous coupling. Don't remember the torque rating or GVWR off the top of my head, but its supposed to be heavier duty than the BW box.

Theres a few others to contemplate. There have been a couple of Jeep boxes over the years that would be suitable, but they're mostly set up for Chrysler or AMC transmissions, so may not be that useful in building a SyClone. Also, the new TrailblazerSS is supposed to have a tcase with a Zexel Torsen diff in it, which might be nice (eliminate the viscous coupling which is a sealed zero maintenance unit). Don't have any idea of ratings, but they're putting it behind a 390hp motor from the factory, so I'd expect it to be reasonably stout.


If you look around on this site some, you'll realize that transfer cases aren't the real problem. The transmission is. The 700R4 / 4L60 E just isn't enough tranny for AWD, big power, and decent tires. In a 2wd application, the tires squirm and slide a little bit to keep from having huge shock loads on the tranny. AWD isn't nearly as forgiving. The solutions include TH350's, TH400's, and 4L80E's. The new 6L80E would probably be a great solution, but they're not exactly readily available and neither is the controller (both should be soon, once a couple of people wreck '06 auto C6's and '07 Tahoes or the parts become available at the stealership).

Hows that for the nickel tour?

'JustDreamin'
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: what drive train can i use.

In many cases its usually more cost effective to buy a Syclone than build a clone, especailly if you want it to look like a Syclone. Its been cover many time before in the SyTy Conversions section. Even if you are able to find to build a clone for less, the resale value of conversion is very poor (cost of parts) compare to Syclone.
 

ssrt3

New member
Re: what drive train can i use.

yea i know the resale is goning to be less but its not goning to be a normal syclone im buliding a twin torbo motor for it hole moter is goning to be custom. planning on pusshing out 1200 hp.
i hope! i got the motor and am desining the y pipe for the induction to the air to air intercooler with two t4 turboknitces turbos with ballberrings.
 
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